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Re: Making Considered Choices: An Open Letter to Joe Barr
Posted by: Rob Enderle 2004-08-17 12:07:36
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Dear Joe: Thanks for the letter. I do appreciate that you realized that I was speaking from the heart in the keynote I gave at the SCO conference and I appreciate your thanks. But there are some misconceptions that I think we should clear up. First, I should point out that Microsoft typically does not pay folks to be keynote speakers at other company's events. I understand you hate Microsoft, but you should refrain from blaming the company for things that it wouldn't likely do.


Re: Making Considered Choices: An Open Letter to Joe Barr
Posted by: notfooled 2004-09-08 21:51:21 In reply to: Rob Enderle
One point, Rob, your dismissive way of quoting the market share statistic (93 to 4%) is true to your art of manipulating facts to spin your point. The reality is that the 93/4 market share is for desktop users, but server market share (which would be included by your use of the term "users") is much closer to MS ~34% and Linux ~10%. Do some research first, people might then take you seriously when you call yourself "analyst".

Re: Making Considered Choices: An Open Letter to Joe Barr
Posted by: Nnyan 2004-08-30 23:44:20 In reply to: Rob Enderle
I'm not sure why anyone would take the time to read Enderle's prattle. He is basically a PR Hack for Hire with MS and SCOX as his customers. The best anology is the Iraqi Information Minister, it was his job to spin the truth for his puppet masters reguardless of the actual reality.
He is getting paid to insinuate that SCOX case has merit, that Groklaw generates FUD, etc... Notice he shys away from IBM, mostly b/c he is a paid coward and he knows stepping out of line there will get him smacked big time (regardless of what type of gun he owns).
Amazing that he could consider a blog that (having its own opinion on issues) points the the original posts and actual comments. Every time Enderle says something negative about Groklaw he takes himself down a notch. Its easy enough for any educated person to head over to Groklaw and read the articles and make up their own mind (which is what I did and I came to the certain conclusions about Mr Enderle).
I actually would encourage Enderle to continue with his ill fated course of action. It only takes away from his exclamation that anything anti-MS is on its way to extinction (Apple anyone?). The more nonsense that comes out of his mouth the less anyone will pay attention to what he has to say.
Notice how well he avoids actually refutting the points in Joe Barr's letter but will let us know he actually was a sheriff. He repeatedly states that Joe hates MS but isn't honest enough to admit he hates and fears Groklaw. The light of observation that Groklaw brings to SCOX's schemes is a bane to someone like Enderle.
The best thing for all of us to do with paid shills like Enderle is to ignore him and perphaps send anyone that qoutes him an EnderleFlack Letter http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/EnderleFlackLetter

Re: Making Considered Choices: An Open Letter to Joe Barr
Posted by: Amused 2004-08-22 23:15:54 In reply to: Rob Enderle
Thought the article was great. I did read the letter from Joe thru the link in the article.
Could you please keep trying to have more Linux zealots post here as it helps me to make informed decisions by beaing able to read actual technical material and informed comments on the posts that the zealots are not on.
Thanks again Rob

Re: Making Considered Choices: An Open Letter to Joe Barr
Posted by: phlipant 2004-08-19 16:28:56 In reply to: Rob Enderle
Leave the poor man alone. A year ago, any suggestions about Linux were met with blank stares, at staff meetings. Rob has been a driving force in Linux adoption, in our organization.

Re: Making Considered Choices: An Open Letter to Joe Barr
Posted by: exposeu 2004-08-18 15:10:31 In reply to: Rob Enderle
Rob
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Refuting your banal claptrap becomes tiresome. You are truly a FUD Superman. Why anyone continues to give you the time of day is a mystery considering every single prediction you've ever made in print, every single position you've taken on any IT subject, has turned out to be dead wrong.
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http://daringfireball.net/2003/12/enderle
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http://enderle.iwethey.org/
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http://essaysfromexodus.scripting.com/stories/storyReader$1541
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http://macartisan.typepad.com/cupertino/2003/12/dvorak_the_next.html
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Perhaps you think this is a debating club, and the truth of your position doesn't really matter, its just finding something you can twist to possibly fool the uninformed that matters. The reality is that you aren't even good at that. You are far too transparent to be effective.
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Perhaps you continue your tireless FUD crusade because the checks keep rolling in from your corporate masters. Surely they'd have discovered that you are a liability by now, and dumped you from the payroll.
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Perhaps you really are as idiotic as your ravings make you seem. Its as good an explanation as any, and makes just as much sense.
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At least it seems the lazy psuedo-journalists that used to call you up for your (albeit clueless) quote-a-minute service and helped you keep your name in print (the better to FUD you with, my dear) have gotten a clue themselves and stopped ringing your phone.
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Keep up the good work Rob! Your ravings are Free Softwares best weapon!

Re: Making Considered Choices: An Open Letter to Joe Barr
Posted by: randyflood 2004-08-18 13:25:47 In reply to: Rob Enderle
Dear Rob,
While I disagree with many of your conclusions, I couldn't agree more with your central thesis that people should make informed decisions.
Ofcourse people should make informed decisions regardless of what they actually choose. And that is why I'm sure you'll agree that no one can take it on your word alone that Groklaw is merely a Anti-SCO FUD website. Based on your central thesis, it is imparitive that each and every person go and actually take the time to visit groklaw.com, and read the articles there. By doing so, they can see whether or not it is merely as you claim an anti-Sco FUD website, or whether its proponets claim, it does indeed back up its claims with primary evidence and supporting documentation. If you really believe your central thesis, then you must believe that by doing so, and by and listing to your viewpoints about Groklaw as well, people will clearly see Groklaw for what it really is. On the other hand, I have an alternate theory. I believe in informed decisons as well. But, I believe that if eveoryone listens to what you have to say, but then goes and reads everything that Groklaw has to say, they will come to an entirely different conclusion.
But, in relation to Groklaw specifically, people can not be fully informed on whether it is really just an anti-Sco FUD site unless they check it out. So, my question is, are you truly in favor people making fully informed decisions? And if so, then would you encourage people to check out Groklaw so they can find out whether or not it is truly just a anti-Sco Fud site as you claim? Or, were you just saying that you want people to make informed decisions?
Randy
Randy.Flood@rhce2b.com

Re: Making Considered Choices: An Open Letter to Joe Barr
Posted by: J_W_W 2004-08-18 09:16:12 In reply to: Rob Enderle
You lack of professionalism from beginning (keynote) to end (this letter) is stunning. Your lack of hard data and quick use of personal attacks is espicially disturbing to see in someone who is supposed to be a _technology_ advisor, not a PR spin man.

Rebuttal to what?
Posted by: Tim Ransom 2004-08-18 07:28:43 In reply to: Rob Enderle
Rob, you trickster! Evidently, you didn't actually read Joe Barr's article before rebutting - brilliant strategy!
Face it - that keynote speech was your swan song. No one on this planet could wade through your vainglorious, profanity laced ranting without getting the impression that you were not only inebriated, but also a man on the edge, with a tenacious but loosening grip on reality.
You focused your speech on Groklaw. I guess you forgot that SCO is in court with IBM, not a blog!
You actually suggested it was unethical for people to attend a public event, invoking images of 'Groklaw spies' with their finger poised over the 'FUD' button. I guess you weren't too concerned about IBM 'spies' being there.
Your behaviour and words were and are indefensible. Why try to clarify your position with 'A Keynote Considered' afterwards, if not because you know how utterly insane your speech was?
Since you feel comfortable calling people idiots, I will return the favour:
You are an idiot of the first water. In the annals of idiots, you stand head and shoulders above the teeming masses.
I now see you as an invaluable weapon for the cause. Please, oh please keep writing about Linux and OSS. You have furthered our cause through your own incompetence at every opportunity, and for that I thank you.

Brilliant: An Open Letter to Joe Barr
Posted by: JoeStag 2004-08-18 05:51:00 In reply to: Rob Enderle
AWESOME Response.
Drivel like that recently from Joe is BAD for Open Source !!

Enderle accepts be called a Microsoft or SCO shill.
Posted by: tuqui 2004-08-18 03:00:54 In reply to: Rob Enderle
>why you think I'd want to stop being called a Microsoft or SCO shill?
You said it.
>the few Microsoft users (93 percent of the market) and
>the massive number of Linux users (4 percent of the market) are going to have to
> learn to work together.
Ignoring your "neutral" sarcasm. You must tell that to your friends inside Microsoft first.

An Open Letter to Joe Barr from a hypocrite
Posted by: thinkliberty 2004-08-17 21:43:45 In reply to: Rob Enderle
Funny When Enderle says:
"It is a shame you couldn't actually take the time to argue against the points I really did make."
You'd think that Rob would take his own advice and actually take time to argue some points Joe Barr made, instead of talking about the "Psychic Friends Network."
Maybe a points like:
"You (Rob Enderle)say there are three types of free software, then you go on to describe two types of proprietary software -- adware and time-limited trial versions -- with one false representation of Linux.
In your own words:
"With software there are several kinds of "free." There are free products that come with ads and increasingly with Spyware, there are "free trials" which time out at unfortunate periods of time (time bombs), and there are free enterprise products that cost 1,000s of dollars. Guess which one Linux is?""
Rob is the pot calling the kettle black in this open letter.

Again the idiot Enderle lets loose .. with ignorance.
Posted by: DarrenR114 2004-08-17 18:57:00 In reply to: Rob Enderle
PJ does NOT have a marketing position with OSRM. Get a life, Enderle!
By the way, just where and when were you a sheriff? I don't believe you - and unless you come clean with a straight answer, it'll be obvious to all that you are a liar.
Joe Barr wasn't the only one who found flaws of logic and fallacy of emotional appeals in your keynote (and subsequent rebuttal). There's a wonderful critique at http://fallinggrace.com/article.php?story=20040811194629499
Of course, when you read it, no doubt you'll feel it's a bit unjustified. But that's just you - the rest of us already know it doesn't go far enough tearing your credibility to shreds.

Re: Again the idiot Enderle lets loose .. with ignorance.
Posted by: RobEnderle 2004-08-20 10:37:50 In reply to: DarrenR114
Orange County Sheriff's Department, '82 to '84, Harbor Patrol Division. Best friend at that time was in the California Highway Patrol. It was while I was in graduate school.
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