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Re: Is Linux Suffering From Mono?
Posted by: Katherine Noyes 2009-06-22 10:45:55
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In the general population, "Mono" may be best known for infecting teenagers with the "kissing disease." On the Linux blogs, it's recently caused a different kind of anguish as geeks far and wide have debated whether it's infected Linux too. It's a different Mono, of course, but its effects -- or, at least, the discussion of them -- have been no less agonizing. It all started earlier this month when Linux Canuck posted an explicit description of why he -- or she -- dislikes Mono and is consequently considering abandoning Ubuntu.


so you don't want my app to run on your OS?
Posted by: scotchfaster 2009-06-23 13:38:29 In reply to: Katherine Noyes
I'm currently developing a Mono application for a client. This means using .NET 2.0 and avoiding WPF, so it's a little bit of a hassle and the Windows version will not be all that it could be. However, my client wants a Macintosh version of the application.

They don't care about Linux. At all. Perhaps in the future, but for now, our customers aren't using it.

But good news for the Linux community: thanks to Mono, our software should be Linux compatible!

At least, I thought this would be good news. You'd think that if you wanted your OS to achieve wide adoption, you'd want as many apps to run on it as possible, right? So what am I missing here?

If a customer needs an application, and it can run on three different OSes, wouldn't it stand to reason that consumers would chose the best OS? So how does this hurt Linux in any possible way? This kind of idealism is self-destructive at best IMO.

Freedom is at hand
Posted by: RamboTribble 2009-06-23 08:21:33 In reply to: Katherine Noyes
The passion with which the Mono issue is being addressed is understandable in the context of Gnome; there is a certain hypocrisy for an organization formed to avoid the Qt toolkit for Trolltech's failure to then embrace the GPL, (a sin since atoned for), turning to embrace .NET. But an easy solution appears already at hand.

To the best of my knowledge KDE does not embrace Mono and offers a clear and arguably superior choice on its merits, when compared to Gnome. Perhaps the real question is whether the likes of Debian, GIMP, Mozilla, et al. should be casting their fate with Gnome.

Mono is an opportunity
Posted by: ecrap 2009-06-23 08:16:24 In reply to: Katherine Noyes
I don't understand why some people just freak out when they see Microsoft, and became irrational. Mono maybe doesnít like you, but it can be a weapon against the monopoly, by allowing to choose Linux as an alternative to ms platform, why? because now anyone can develop for Linux. Besides claim to heaven that MS itís the devil use that energy improving mono, will be better for us all.

M$ = Candy man
Posted by: milleman 2009-07-22 02:57:04 In reply to: ecrap
"I don't understand why some people just freak out when they see Microsoft"

It's because all M$ care about, is to dominate. As in the case of Mono, they want everyone to get used to it and later find out that the .NET for Windows is both easier and better than Mono for Windows. And why would I want to learn C# which is a propriety to Microsoft, when C++ is an open standard? Just because they want people, programmers and companies to be addicted to M$. Just like in the good old days. They are more or less like a drug dealer that gives away free drugs to the newbies, because they know that addicts are good for the business.

If the day comes when M$ would make an open source Linux version of Visual C++, I will change my opinions about Microsoft. But I don't expect that to happen.

This is Nothing But a Red Herring
Posted by: thenixedreport 2009-06-23 06:44:31 In reply to: Katherine Noyes
Microsoft doesn't have to sue in order to damage their rivals, because their rivals are doing it for them. Regarding the existence of Mono, the cat is out of the bag. It exists, and people need to get over that fact. There are much greater threats out there than a developer's tool.

http://www.thenixedreport.com/blog/?p=45

Civil disobedience? Rright!
Posted by: vluban 2009-06-23 03:53:42 In reply to: Katherine Noyes
Well, with all due respect, this call to "civil disobedience" in the form given cannot be coming from anywhere but MS proponent in disguise. Just think about it, most of the Linux distros vendors are distinct organizations or individuals with financial capability far below one of MS. Any litigation from MS will almost immediately send any of them into financial dive into abyss even when MS will be outright wrong, MS just have to prolong the case long enough so that the guys will go bankrupt over attorney fees. Comparing to dcss or mp3 codebase that was available from numerous semi-anonymous sites, official inclusion into distro makes the vendor of the distro an immediate target for litigation, and from that point on it's (vendor) very survival becomes the question of MS goodwill or lack thereof.

So, if you ask me, the minimum necessary precondition for inclusion of such thing into Linux, or any GPL/OpenSource-licensed distro for that matter, is explicit, full and irreversible placement by MS of all IP licensing rights, patents and such connected to .NET into GPL or public domain.
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