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Re: Apple: Microsoft's Friend or Foe?
Posted by: Lisa Gill 2002-10-21 13:49:47
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When Apple and Microsoft signed a pact five years ago formalizing their relationship, the two companies laid out a detailed road map for the future. Fast forward to the summer of 2002. The agreement expired, no extended proposal has been put in place, and published reports have questioned the state of the relationship. Are Apple and Microsoft still working in tandem, or has the tide begun to turn? Some analysts believe the major point of contention between the two companies is lagging sales of Microsoft Office v.X.

Re: Apple: Microsoft's Friend or Foe?
Posted by: storm 2002-10-30 22:33:35 In reply to: Lisa Gill
all i can say to steve jobs is: WATCH OUT for things to come. i hope he doesn't think for one second that gates is his, or anyone's, 'friend'. face the facts.. nobody can become the richest man in the world by treating people right. the more of a crook you are, the further you'll make it in life. now for the real reason i posted this.. for those who don't know it already, and since i haven't seen anything else about it, i just want to let those of you who think highly of microsnot know that those crooks and thieves are accessing everyone's computers at an alarming rate. i know someone who works for microsloth, and they tell me that they're gathering information from over a million computers every day. you know what you see when you go to their 'update' site. that little box that tells you "this is done without sending any information to microsoft".. yeah right.. who the hell is STUPID enough to believe that? why do you think it takes so long, and how do you think, if they're not 'gathering-information' about your computer, how could they possibly know what your computer has on it, and what else they need to force you to download in order for them to have access to even more information. also.. another thing that's really ridiculous, and just plain STUPID of people, is using that cussed msn-messenger. that thing is one huge virus in itself. if you must use an instant messenger, go get trillian. it doesn't allow ads, popups, or anything else, and you can also have not only that stupid and utterly ridiculous msn-system-messer on it, you can have your yahoo crap, aim, and icq, all on one messenger. the creators of trillian did an excellent job. microsloth, yahoo, icq(which is also aol), and aim, all hate trillian. ao-hell make their feeble attempts to block trillian occasionally, but those guys are a bit smarter than the idjits at aohell and fix it pretty quick. i just think it's a filthy shame that we can't even get on the net anymore without everybody wanting to know our business. i take pride in my work, and most of it these days consists of helping people keep other people out of their computers. whether it be microsloth, aohell, or any of the other 35-million fools out there eating up our bandwidth with all their garbage. if you want the best messenger you can get, you need to check out trillian. but.. be forewarned that you cannot use your porn-cam with it. while it does get the yahoo and other messengers' messages, it doesn't allow for the use of cams and all the other garbage most people think they MUST have on their computers. personally, i like the idea that i can only message with people if they want to talk to me. i don't want to be able to see them and them see me. i don't want to be able to talk to them on the computer. that's just dumb as far as i'm concerned. if i want to talk to someone, i'll call them on the phone. why would anyone who's trying to relax a little and just cruise the net or get some work done on the computer, want to sit and have conversations and watch tv on the screen? i'll never understand that. but.. to eat his own.. (and yes, i know what i said). ;)

Re: Apple: Microsoft's Friend or Foe?
Posted by: edayres 2002-10-29 08:32:03 In reply to: Lisa Gill
The Microsoft vs Apple relationship continues to intrique. It is an extension of the personal tension between Gates and Jobs. These two really need each other to become the visionary and businessman extraordinaire that each wishes they were individually. Office X is a terrific product, while OS X is a fabulous idea and feat of engineering. I sure hope Microsoft and Apple can continue to manage this volatile relationship. We all benefit when they get it right.

Re: Apple: Microsoft's Friend or Foe?
Posted by: joe-boo 2002-10-28 18:53:30 In reply to: Lisa Gill
With less than 20% of Windows users having moved to XP (estimated at 46M of 240M users), it might be wise for Microsoft to take a look at what's lacking in their own multibillion-dollar advertising campaign instead of worrying about someone else's. Boneheads!

Re: Apple: Microsoft's Friend or Foe?
Posted by: Austin_Tashis 2002-10-23 20:36:12 In reply to: Lisa Gill
"But Office v.X has sold only half as many copies as expected -- about 300,000, as opposed to the 750,000 anticipated by Microsoft"
First of all, when do their sales ever meet their expectations?
Second, at $500/copy, wouldn't you think they've made a profit yet? We're talking 150 million dollars here. At almost a million dollars per employee, I would think they'd be able to make payroll for a few years and still have enough left over to keep the lights on.
How could anybody not be satisfied with 150 million dollars for a single product?

Re: Apple: Microsoft's Friend or Foe?
Posted by: dsivad 2002-10-23 14:23:06 In reply to: Lisa Gill
Price, price, price...
And don't forget older versions of Office can still be launched in OS X via classic...

Re: Apple: Microsoft's Friend or Foe?
Posted by: musterion 2002-10-23 12:59:09 In reply to: Lisa Gill
I used to use MS Word on my iMac--Word 5.1a. I've since switched to AppleWorks. Why pay so much for a product of dubious value when AWorks does what most of need and now will save files in Word or Excel format as appropriate?

Re: Apple: Microsoft's Friend or Foe?
Posted by: joemomma 2002-10-23 00:50:22 In reply to: Lisa Gill
I absolutely agree that it is cost. People aren't going to pay that much money for MS Office. If it were $199 all the time it would sell like crazy. It would probably also boost the adoption of OS X.

Re: Apple: Microsoft's Friend or Foe?
Posted by: elstar 2002-10-22 01:07:48 In reply to: Lisa Gill
It's no wonder that Office vX hasn't sold very well... at $779 in Canada, who would buy it? Office XP Standard is far less in price. If the price was the same for both platforms, maybe the Mac version would sell better.

Re: Apple: Microsoft's Friend or Foe?
Posted by: JuggerNaut 2002-10-21 16:49:30 In reply to: Lisa Gill
"In response to the sales shortfall, the two companies announced a limited-time price reduction on Office v.X earlier this month, slashing the original price of US$499 to $299 with the purchase of a new Mac."
That is incorrect, the actual price for Office with a purchase of a new Mac is $199!
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