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Cold fusion -- the largely discredited science of making more energy from less -- may be making a comeback. Controversial yet high-profile demonstrations in Italy last month purported to show a cold fusion device turning 400 watts of heat power into 12,400 watts. The eye-popping 31-fold "excess heat effect" illustrates why lay observers say cold fusion is the "holy grail of energy independence" and why many scientists doubt, some to the point of apoplexy. Twenty-two years ago, Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann made similar but ultimately unreproducible claims that turned their 15 minutes of fame into banishment from the scientific community.
If real, What is the worst case effect on World Economy?
Posted by: Harry420 2011-03-28 20:37:02 In reply to: Mike Martin
If this cold fusion Project is real and goes into production on mass scale, what are the worst negative ramifications to the world economy?
To the countries producing more oil than they consume to sell on the world market?
The big oil and coal companies?
World currencies?
World and Nation stability and political environment?
How far will those in power go to stop this project?
To the countries producing more oil than they consume to sell on the world market?
The big oil and coal companies?
World currencies?
World and Nation stability and political environment?
How far will those in power go to stop this project?
cold fusion by Mike Martin
The cost of water used has not been added to the 1 cent/KWH. If they use 793 gallons per 4.5 KWH of electricity, and if water costs $2/1000 gal, then the cost for the water used per kwh is $.35/KWH. Not cheap.
Mike Martin, or anyone else: What is the cost of water/KWH???
The cost of water used has not been added to the 1 cent/KWH. If they use 793 gallons per 4.5 KWH of electricity, and if water costs $2/1000 gal, then the cost for the water used per kwh is $.35/KWH. Not cheap.
Mike Martin, or anyone else: What is the cost of water/KWH???
My first estimate of the cost of water for cold fusion may be high. Assuming they produced 15kw/hr of energy with a 30% eff. factor to get electricity, 793 gal of water/hr for 15 KW/Hr of energy, and a cost of /$.61/748 gallons of water, the cost of the water/KWH of electricity comes to $.15.
The cost of the water is still expensive. 15 times as much as the $.01/KWH that the article says is the cost of electricity from this cold fusion system in Italy.
The cost of the water is still expensive. 15 times as much as the $.01/KWH that the article says is the cost of electricity from this cold fusion system in Italy.
When an actual product comes out that people can USE. All the talk for decades, so what? Make something practical instead of asking people to look.
Get a load of this DIA report!
Posted by: dobermanmacleod 2011-02-22 13:45:00 In reply to: Mike Martin
For those skeptics who can't quite believe that a cheap clean and abundant energy technology is about to emerge on the market: check out this unclassified US Defense Intelligence Report from November of 2009. DIA-08-0911-003 (google it) from November of 2009 shows clearly that whatever physical reaction is producing the heat, it isn't just a pipe dream. According to those Italian inventors units are currently being mass produced in America and exported to Italy for sale before the end of this year. Predictably, once consensus reality comprehends that this is not only practical, but very very cheap and (even better) a decentralized way to produce power, you will see gigantic strides made in terms of economic and psychological integration.
Dobermanmacleod:
I read someplace that they will have a plant in Greece to produce the units for Europe, and a plant in the USA for the USA units, at some plant in New Hampshire. But I still believe the cost of water used to get electricity has not been added in to the cost of electricity. They mention 1 cent per KWH, but that is the energy output. To get electricity one normally uses the heat to run a turbine which is around 30 to 38% eff, and the turbines consume a lot of water.
I read someplace that they will have a plant in Greece to produce the units for Europe, and a plant in the USA for the USA units, at some plant in New Hampshire. But I still believe the cost of water used to get electricity has not been added in to the cost of electricity. They mention 1 cent per KWH, but that is the energy output. To get electricity one normally uses the heat to run a turbine which is around 30 to 38% eff, and the turbines consume a lot of water.
